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Post by dizon on Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:19 pm

mga masters bigyan niyo naman kami ng mga tips at saka trick na alam niyo para mapadali ang pagtotrouble namin sa mga tv

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by PIEZO on Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:26 pm

@dizon just specify your questions briefly

what do you mean ? how to troubleshoot the section by section of the TV set ? if just like that

put always this in your mind
to be a competent technician you need to be aware of three thing..

1. operating voltage,
2.operating frequency, and
3.circuit bypass/isolation

example of a basic trouble a one line horizontal problem leads to fault in vertical section obviously lack of vertical sweeps..operating voltages 24v which is present and unfortunately you've just replaced the output ic...your problem is ..maybe no input triggering this section..first problem ? what is the operating freq of this circuit?
the answer low or obviously 60hz same as sound..so..you can actually use an audio signal to inject in this circuit just to isolate if the output is working good and totally isolate the section then proceed to another section which is the input.hope this help .. Filipinos are genius

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Wed Nov 10, 2010 8:27 pm

nice respondz piezo 1 point ka sa akin..

dagdagan natin ng kunti...

us a technician dapat aware din tau sa history ng unit bago xa tuluyang nasira.. tanungin ang may ari.. kong meron bang mga sintomas ang nangyari bago tuluyang.. nasira ang TV set nya.. halimbawa.. nagiging horizontal line minsan ang display ng tv nya habang nanunuod xa.. hinahayaan niya nlng ito dahil kusa nmn bumabalik sa katinuan ang tv nya.. hnggang sa wla na hndi na mag-power ang tv nya... standby nlng Razz

kng iisipin mung mabuti o babalikan mu ang mga pangyayari.. bago nasa condition pa ang unit.. nag-aapeared daw ang hor. line problem. its means na may problema sa vert. section.. try nyu suyurin yun.. lalot kong kumpleto pa ang B+ supply mu..

sanay makatulong

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by Hertz on Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:25 pm

ito na lang muna ang maiaambag ko dito

dapat kabisado ang mga parts ng TV. para saan ito at ano ano ang mga silbi niya sa buong circuit. halimbawa saan ang vertical area, horizontal, power supply, sound amplifier . . . . ano ano ang mga silbi nito Question

para mas madali na lang ang pag to troubleshoot. diba ? Twisted Evil

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by Electro on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:28 pm

ito lang po ang maitutulong ko basi na rin sa karansan ko dito

kong hihingi ng tulong sa mga masters natin dito, dapat kumpleto ang detalyeng ibibigay mo. ano ano ang mga nagawa mo at ano ano na mga voltaheng nasusukat sa bawat sa parte para mas mapadali ang tulong ng mga masters

sanay makatulong sa mga kapwa kong mga technician ang salaysay ko Wink

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by dizon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 9:41 pm

salamat po sa lahat ng mga masters dito na walang sawang magreply lol!

post pa po kayo ng marami. ang dami po naming natututunan sa inyo

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by denggoy100@yahoo.com on Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:57 am

ano po ang service mode ng aowa tv

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by denggoy100@yahoo.com on Mon Apr 04, 2011 12:59 am

kasi naka lock po at may naka labas key sa screen

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Tue Apr 05, 2011 5:36 pm



@denggoy100@yahoo.com ang haba ng name mu Razz
xa nga pala OT kau dpat full of troubleshooting guidelines & tips ang mga nandito.

pwo cge nlng nandito natu
BTW nasa sau pa ba ang orig remocon nyan try mung baklasin at mghanap ng spare contact sa loob na mgkatabi. then try to press na nkaharap sa TV. subok lng wlang mawwla

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Wed May 25, 2011 1:26 am

post ko na rin ito dito
sarili kng speech galing sa elab

analyses is the key to success
sali natin ang instinct nang tech..
at taasan ang pasenxa. eka nga nila patient is a virtue
no sacrifice, no victory
hapon lang ang sumusuko
never be harsh coz everythng is fine



dpat laging mraming tanong sa isipan at subukan ang lahat nang tanong na yun.

bakit kaya ? bakit ganun ? posible ba yun ?

sa tulong nang schematic/service manual mas madaling sundan ang path nang mga supply at signal.
pasok namn ang datasheets kng wlang hawak na manuals

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Wed May 25, 2011 1:53 am

ito Tips sa mga newbies, im sure ma eencounter nyu ito balang araw
simulan ko sa no power units

nag eestored nang voltahe ang primary caps after pagka unplug ng unit. nakakagulat kahit naka-unplug nat may kuryente pa rin .


ang cause nito ay di nakasaturate/nakaoscillate ang power regulator. di xa gumana kayat di siya nagsilbing load ng primary supply. in short wlng load consumer nangyari

note: pagganitong scenario dapat wag basta basta magresolder sa board baka lalong lumala ang problema. kaboom ang mangyayari.. para makapagpatuloy sa troubleshooting kailangan mu munang idischarge ang main filter capacitor

tips on how to discharge the Main Capcitor
apat lang ang alam ko

1. ito ang pnka effective gumamit ng 220V incandescent lamp as load ng mkapagdischarge. shunt/parallel nyu lng sa dalawang terminal ng primary/main caps.mkikita nyu na unti unting mwawala ang V


2. pwdeng gumamit nang soldering iron, shunt mu din sa terminal nang caps. gaya nito


3. pwdeng gumamit nang bleeder resistor, i-shunt/parallel lang sa terminal nang main E.caps, para tuluyang magdischarge gaya nito.



4. pwdeng gumamit ng mga transformer. pwede na yung step transfo na 110V out


X. shorting using metallic tools gaya nang long nose plier.
ito ang wag na wag nyung gagawin dahil minsan nakakasira yan ng pcb layout sa lakas nang pagsabog. makakasira ka pa nang ibang mga electronic parts kng mamalasin
at isa pa pa nga pala.. magugulat ka na makakagulat ka pa nang ibang tao kaya bad moves



pili na lang kayo saan kayo comportable


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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by Electro on Wed Jun 01, 2011 8:24 pm


salamat sa pag share master ultrasonic™
kahit napaka basic ay may napupulot pa rin

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Fri Jun 03, 2011 8:42 pm

ur welcome ^_^
share ka na din

continuation ng tutorial

for Vertical Section problema naman tau

isa sa pinakacommon probz ay ang One Horizontal Line in CRT Faceplate



it will shows na 100% di nagwowork ang vert. section to expand the image

pag ganitong scenario kailangan i check muna ang Vert. supply baka may nawwala. bago magdeklarang patay ah esteh defective yung vert. ic
pg di familiar sa Vert. IC lalot sa mga pinning ay search nyu nlng sa datasheet.

pg buo lahat ng supply. araro na kau ng mga ecaps around that section.
pg wla pinagbago pa rin ay jan nyu nmn isunod ang in at out checking.

for input try hinang ang input pin ng Vert. IC at mg-inject ng audio signal/60hz at masdan ang faceplate ng tube... pagbumuka ay nasa jungle going to vert. drive ang salarin... pg di nmn bumuka ay isunod nman ang output

for the output, check nyu nmn ang vert. Def yoke
baka open ang vert. coil.





isunod nmn natin ang Horizonatl Foldover Problem





pag ganitong scenario nmn ay vert. sect problem pa rin, kayat check nyu maigi ang supply nya bka pumapalya.

kadalasang salarin nitu ay ecaps.

next probz nmn ang horizontal half-screen problem o minsan both yan sa itaas at ibaba



mnsan naman ay klahati nlng tlaga ang natitira




for horizontal linearity problem..
wala akng picx naubos na ang sira dito...
visualized nyu nlng.. bastat maraming guhit guhit na straight ha di pahalang ng di maging retrace line

TAKENOTE:


sa mga bagong modelo ngayon kasali na ang vert. sect sa protection circuit kong wlang proper vert. pulse o nag stop ang vertical deflection na papasok sa jungle o minsan sa system con defende sa tv unit design ay power failure na agad.
kasali din jan vert. overcurrent.




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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by PIEZO on Fri Sep 02, 2011 11:44 am


Solving power supply problems (s.m.p.s)

Most problems with equipment using switch mode power supply (s.m.p.s) like television and monitor are power related, this is because power supplies runs under considerable stress due to high voltages and current involved around these circuits.

In order to understand how to solve s.m.p.s problem I am going to show you how to analyze common failure mode in CRT television, you can use this principle in repairing CRT monitor too.

Case One: CRT Television Dead

Here dead I mean the set does not show any sign of life, power ON LED is not lighted and nothing happens even after power is switched on.

First confirm the television power cable is not broken inside, you can check this by measuring the voltage across the AC power input connector on the circuit board.



If the voltage is reaching the circuit board, then look for the fuse and see if it is blown, if the fuse is okay check also the surge limiter is open or not.

If these two components are okay then most likely there is no short on the primary side of the power supply.

Note:Short in the primary side of the power supply usually cause the surge limiter or the fuse to blow.

From now on we shall be using the main capacitor negative as the Ground for all the measurements of the voltages on the primary side of the power supply.

I have modified my meter ground probe with a crocodile clip so that I can attach it to the ground point of the equipment I am repairing and therefore I use only one hand to probe the circuit.

This is safety precaution because as you know for there to have a potential difference there must be a connection between the live and the ground.

So if you are using your two hands and incidentally touch the live and the ground then the current will flow through your body and this can be fatal. But if you are using one hand it is not possible.



One thing I have learn in electronics is that if you master doing your troubleshooting using voltage tests you will have an added advantage because in electronics it is not always the component that fail but it could be just a crack on the circuit board that is preventing the voltage to flow or even dry joints and therefore if you concentrate on looking for the bad component you are going to waste a lot of time and end up not repairing the set.

Therefore I encourage you to narrow down to the faulty circuit (area) by using voltage testing only. This one is very fast and valuable method I have come to learn.

Now set your meter to DC range of 1000VDC and use the main capacitor as your ground.

First check the voltage across this main capacitor and if you get around 300 vdc on 220vac outlet or 150 vdc on 110 vac outlet then it is assumed the supply is okay up to the main capacitor.

If there is no voltage at the main capacitor then check backward looking for open component or circuit board cracked or dry joint on the power path.





Be sure this main DC(300vdc or 150vdc) is reaching the power regulator ic collector/drain pin, Now still using the same ground move the positive probe and measure the vcc-IN pin of the power regulator ic.



Depending on the regulator used you can check the correct vcc-IN Supply (start up Voltage) from the data sheet for the ic used from the internet.

These two voltages are very important and if any is missing the supply will appear dead, if the vcc-IN is missing this means there is a open circuit or start up resistor is open.

Follow backward and find what is preventing the start up voltage from reaching the vcc-IN pin.

Another hint: if you see this vcc is less than normal and pulsating there is a possibility that there is a short on that pin, to confirm just lift up that pin and if the voltage increases then it means there is a short on that pin internally and the ic must be replaced.

There is also a filter capacitor for this source usually 100uF/35V, please check the ESR of this capacitor or directly replace it if you don’t have an ESR meter.

There is also a resistor linked to the source pin of this ic called the current sense resistor which sometimes open or change value and this can cause the power supply not to start. Usually it is a very low ohm resistor, less than 2 ohms and around 2 watts so it is a big one.

If up to here you have checked and everything is okay, then you should suspect a short on the secondary side of the s.m.p.s.

First measure for short of any of the secondary diode using analogue meter set to X1, when you measure across any diode on the secondary you should not have two reading and if you get two reading lift up one leg and test again. If you still get two reading then you can conclude that diode is shorted.

Also when using this method and find that the diode has two reading in-circuit and when lifted up you get one reading, it could also mean there is a short on that source (line).

You can follow that source looking for the shorted component; usually the most common components to short are transistors, ics, diodes, capacitors.

Remember when doing voltage testing on the secondary circuit you should be using the COLD GROUND of the set.


The best cold ground to use is the turner ground (out part) or the CRT ground return.



If you find still there is no voltage at the secondary output or the voltage is low, it is the time to substitute for the main B+ Load with a dummy load.

You can make a dummy load by using a 40 watts bulb/250 vac, a bulb holder, crocodile clip and a wire(read and black) and connect them as shown on the picture below.



Now identify the main supply to the fly back called the B+ and disconnect the supply just before the fly back B+ vcc pin. Don’t cut the circuit board to do this just lift up one side of a resistor( high wattage) in series with this B+ voltage or sometime they use a jumper wire just before the B+ vcc pin of the fly back and attach your dummy load between this point and the cold ground.

If the bulb light steadily and you measure between 90 Volts dc to 140 dc depending on the size of the television then you can assume that the s.m.p.s is okay and the problem is on the secondary side.

In conclusion let me say that any technician who is smart at troubleshooting power supplies (both linear and s.m.p.s) will definitely have an edge in repairing all types of equipments because this is the main cause of many electronics problems.

Reference

This article is from my Latest E book on CRT Television Repair Course Chapter 4: It has been leading as most read article on this blog so far.On this article i am trying to explain how to troubleshoot switch mode power supply using Control I.C. like STR6707, STR6653 etc, if you would like to learn how to troubleshoot switch mode power supply using transistor on the power supply like D1710, C2498 etc and many other areas of the CRT television click here for details.

Source: humphreykimathi.blogspot.com

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by zandertech on Fri Sep 30, 2011 12:50 am

nice sharing to mga boss madami kami mapupulot mga newbie thanks po sa pag share bounce

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by zandertech on Fri Sep 30, 2011 1:03 am

share na rin ako tulad ng sabi ni sir ultrasonic it is often a must to know ung history ng set na pina rerepair from there you can get a hint on what could be the possible problem and to know what part to troubleshoot first,,. and ako first i check kung may mga bulky or swollen caps dun sa suspected area na tinotrouble shoot ko then check cold solder tsaka voltage test na,. minsan kc may mga sira na parts na can be easily seen on physical appearance like bulky caps discolored resistor or sometimes burnt,tsaka na rin corroded lead parts ayun sana may naitulong hehe,.madami pa rin ako di alam sa repairing and im looking forward to learn more here,.thakns mga sir.... Basketball

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by nelok28 on Fri Oct 28, 2011 5:40 pm

puede po magtanung anu po bang aparatos ang puedeng mag re program sa Memory or eeprom?t.y po

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Post by fire on Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:40 pm

kuya pa help po pano po mag voltage Test?newbie here.

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by Hertz on Thu Nov 03, 2011 7:06 pm

nelok28 wrote:puede po magtanung anu po bang aparatos ang puedeng mag re program sa Memory or eeprom?t.y po

nelok nasa maling thread kayo. pumasok ka dito

fire wrote:kuya pa help po pano po mag voltage Test?newbie here.

gawan mo na lang iyan ng sarili mong thread sa television repair

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Post by fire on Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:44 am

cge po master sowi.

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Post by daltanics on Tue Nov 08, 2011 12:21 am

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Post by batmantech on Wed Dec 21, 2011 10:19 pm

san part ang sira pag blue yung screen

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by ultrasonic™ on Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:20 pm

^pag ganyan ay foucs muna lagi sa C board or known as the CRT board..





us a tech always do the basic. start from the resistors (kng may change value or open), caps (kng my open/leak, & tranny bka my open, short or leak.

pg tapoz najan ay isunod na ang picturetube

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Post by batmantech on Tue Jan 03, 2012 11:04 am

bgo ka mag troubleshoot check mo kung mai power ang kuryente kasi mahirap pag brown out tma ? Twisted Evil

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Re: Troubleshooting Guidelines

Post by 2resjery on Tue Jan 03, 2012 12:03 pm

great job mga masters...
.malaki ang maitutulong nito.

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